Stand / Cross process of C41 Poundland Film in B/W Chemistry

Together in Death. Olympus XA2 (the 50p camera project). AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 (Poundland Film) C41. Developed in Rodinal.

I recently asked on a photography forum for a developing recipe to cross process C41 with b/w chemistry.  I was tickled, but a little chuffed, when someone answered by giving me a link to an old post about the subject …. from one of my own posts here on my blog!

I hadn’t cross processed Poundland film to b/w for a year or two, and when I did, I used Ilford ID11.  This time I wanted to use a rodinal / R09 developer, and I fancied stand processing.

For the Digital / N00b crowd.  What am I talking about?

  1. Cross Processing.  There are a number of different processes for film, and for printing.  The most common three are a) C41.  This is the process for developing colour negative film.  Some b/w films have also been produced that require C41.   b) E6.  This is the process for colour positive transparencies / slides.  c) True b/w negative.  The oldest process that is usually still done by hand rather than a photo lab.  Cross processing takes place when a photographer uses a process other than that intended by the film manufacturer.  Many Lomo photographers cross (both ways) C41 and E6 in order to get bizarre colours on prints/scans.  I am cross processing C41 Poundland film in b/w chemistry, because it is ultra cheapskate and tight fisted.
  2. Stand processing.  Hand processing film involves agitating or inverting a developing tank filled with a film, and diluted solutions of developer  at set intervals.  Typical dilutions for example for the rodinal developer are 1:19 or 1:25 of rodinal to water.  This moves the diluted developer through the film emulsions at a proven rate.  With Stand processing, you use much weaker dilutions of developer, and instead of regular inversions – leave the tank standing for a much longer time.  It saves on developer, allows you to have a meal or watch a movie, and is similar in some ways to slow cooking.  You can be several minutes out either way without disaster.

The stand process that I ended up using this time was that as suggested by the Massive Dev Chart for XP2 C41 in Rodinal / R09.

The recommendation was 1:100.  Yes, a pathetic 3 ml of Agfa Rodinal for a single 35mm film in my Paterson tank.  The recommended time at the optimum 20C was 120 minutes.  I put my used Poundland film in the tank.  Added the very diluted Rodinal, gave it several inversions, then sat it down with a few taps to dislodge air bubbles.

I then took Anita out to the local flea pit (cinema) where we watched the Pixel movie.  I returned maybe 130 minutes later.  Emptied out the developer, stopped, fixed, and rinsed.  Hung up the slippery brown thing to dry.

The above image is one scan.  I did enhance the levels a little on the scanned image, using Gimp software, but not that much.  I worked out that 3 ml of my Rodinal cost me about 8p (GBP £0.08).  The film a quid from Poundland.  Altogether, film, develop, fix, and scan cost me no more than £1.30.

Tight fisted?

One more thing.  This isn’t just about process and cost.  How does the image look?

Olympus XA-2 - 50p camera project II


Olympus XA2 compact camera. AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 film from Poundland. Scanned with V500.

I haven’t shown a lot of it on this blog of recent.  I do prefer b/w photography, but at the same time, I am the tight fisted photographer, and I still have plenty of Poundland film (AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200) in my freezer.  I tried C41 home processing, I did have some success, but I didn’t really enjoy it, not enough to learn how to keep C41 chemistry well.  The nearest photolab is not only incredibly expensive, but on my last film, totally botched up the colour.  I’ve even resorted to cross processing C41 film in b/w process and chemistry a few times.

Still, I recently thought I’d try again.  My faithful Olympus XA2 from the 50p Camera Project kept looking at me from the camera shelf.  So in went a cassette of Poundland film – that Ilford can be so expensive.  It was in there a few weeks or so, I didn’t use it to take any particularly good photos, just snapshots here and there.  I like the above result – it fitted my mood post general election about the future of minimal government – our parish council certainly provides it.  I have a very dystopian view of the future, perhaps I’m getting old.

Anyway, after I used up the 35mm film, I took it to a photolab in Kings Lynn, that I hadn’t used before.  Not a chain, but an independent.  They charged £2.50 for film process only, but had my film dried, cut into strips, and properly packaged in less than a hour!  Colours look good (of course, my scanner will have an effect), and they are clean.  Really pleased.  They did point out that the quick process was a result of their minilab being hot when i walked in, and I got lucky – but it looks like I’ve got a new photolab resource.

Now, that works out at a cost of £3.50 of film / development for 36 exposures.  I don’t think that at the moment, I could get b/w that cheap.  Other than cross processing.  Better get some of that Poundland film out of the freezer.

35mm, and scans, Film

35mm film to 120 size converters from Ebay

35mm film converters to 120 size. Fitted here onto a Poundland film. Taken with a Nokia Lumia 1020 phone camera.

I haven’t tried them out in the field yet, but a few readers have asked for more information on these 135 to 120 canister converters that I purchased on Ebay.  Link to the Ebay listing here.

The seller is manufacturing them on his 3D printer.  Simple, but apparently an effective little design.  They simply plug into either end of a 35mm film canister, and hey presto – the 35mm film now fits into a 120 medium format film loader.

The seller does state that they haven’t been tested with many films or film loaders.  Still, they are a neat little product.

For those of you that might be interested in “sprocket hole” scans, just be aware, that these don’t come straight out of many film scanners including the Epson V500.  The masks cover the sprocket holes either side.  You need a bit of ingenuity.  Newton glass mounts, or, modified masks, simply trying to peg them into a 120 mask, or old school – use a digital camera and light box set up instead of a scanner.

As above image – but mounted in the film loader of a Lubitel 166B camera.

Film Dark Room, Pentax ME Super 35mm film SLR, Portrait, Rants and discussions

On the Fiddle

On the Fiddle. Pentax ME Super. SMC Pentax-M 50mm f/1.7 lens. Ilford HP5 Plus film developed in ID11.

I bought another eighteen 36 exposure AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 35mm films from Poundland in Peterborough yesterday.  That’s on top of the twenty that I recently bought from the Poundland in Kings Lynn.  I can’t resist those 36 exposure films for a quid each.  It’s ridiculously cheap.  Thing is though, I’m not totally happy with cross processing them all in b/w Ilford chemistry.  It’s sometimes cheap and convenient, but it’s not HP5.  All of these colour 35 mm films begging to be used.  I’m increasingly tempted to have a go at C41 colour film developing.  Just the film mind.  I’m looking at the Rollei Digibase C-41 LT20 Midi Kit 1L to start with.  A C41 chemistry kit sold online at FirstCall Photographic Ltd.

It claims to be sufficient to develop 20-24 films (presumably 35 mm), and depending on post & package costs, will cost me somewhere around £3 a film to develop.  I can actually get my film commercially developed locally for only £2.50, but I hate having to wait, and accepting his quality.  So, I’m thinking it over.


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Cross Processing 35mm Poundland Film

Looking Down. Olympus XA2 35mm compact camera. AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 film from Poundland. Cross processed in Ilford b&w chemicals / process.

Looking Down. As above image.

Looking Down. As top image.

Looking Down. As top photo.

Looking Down. As top image.

Looking Down. As top image.

Looking Down. As top image

Well the one use camera project failed – but while Nita was snapping away with a light leaking dog toy, I was using Poundland film in my trusty little Olympus XA2.  This film costs me a quid a roll of 35mm.  Labelled as AgfaPhoto (to distinguish it from the defunct Agfa) Vista Plus 200, it’s rumoured to be a repackaged variant of Fujifilm C200.  Incredible value colour film.  However, I’m not yet inspired enough to try and develop C41 film.  But I do have plenty of Ilford B&W chemicals and a Paterson tank.  I can get it commercially C41 process developed at a local photo lab or two, but that’s more expense, and I’m trying to be the tight fisted photographer.  To be honest, I could get it developed only (no prints) at one local photo lab for only three quid a film.  Tempting, but it’s nice to DIY isn’t it?

So cross process it was.  In the same tank as the Kodak GT800 that I posted on yesterday.  A dilution of 3:1 water/ ID11 stock at 20C for 22 minutes.  Inversions 10s in each minute.

The negatives are ugly, and you need to tweak the scanner to produce results on digitalisation.  I scan using my Epson Perfection V500 set for color negatives, but saving as 16 bit greyscale images.  A bit more tweaking post scan on Gimp, particularly on Levels.  I think that’s passable b&w film photography.  A quid a roll and cheap b&w home developing.  Cheapskate tight fisted film photography, and with the 50p compact camera!

Other News.

Poundland Film.

Talking about Poundland film, I have recently heard rumours that some stores are temporarily retailing 36 exposure AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200, rather than the 24 exposure films.

A few years ago, Poundland stores were selling a mixture of colour 135 film types, but shifting to the AgfaPhoto brand.  At first, this was not a problem, as they were 36 exposure films, incredible value for GBP £1.00.  A local photo lab would C41 develop them for me (no prints) for £2.50 a film – regardless of 24 or 36 frame.  That worked out to an incredibly cheap rate of 8p per exposure – cost of film and developing!  I did buy quite a few, but when new supplies reached the stores a year ago, they were replaced by 24 exposure films.  Still great value, but less exposures for your pound.

I recently ran out of 36’s, and started to resort to 24’s, when I heard the rumour.  My local Poundland is still retailing the 24’s.  However, on a visit to Kings Lynn today, I popped in the Lynn branch …. and there sat a box with twenty beautiful AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 36 exposure 135 films!!!  Of course I bought the bloody lot.  The box underneath were 24’s.  Sorry Kings Lynn cheapskate photographers, I raided your supply.  Twenty quid for 720 x 35 mm exposure frames.  Now that’s tight fisted.

Film, 35mm, and scans, Olympus Trip 35, The East English Fens of East Anglia

Suits you Sir!

Evisons, Wisbech. Olympus Trip 35 camera. AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 35mm negative film from Poundland. Gimp 2.8 enhancement post scan with free open source software.

Evison is a traditional drapery and outfitters store, located in the North Cambridgeshire town of Wisbech.  It’s two floors are stuffed with goods – work boots for the brickie, compasses for the explorer, deer stalker hats for the gentleman, aprons for the butcher.  You’ll find a smartly dressed salesperson or two on each of it’s floors … “can I help you Sir?” .  Should you find what you are looking for (and there is a very good chance that you will), the smartly dressed sales assistant will hand write a little invoice from his book, for you to take down to the lady on the till.  It’s like stepping back fifty or more years.  I hope it continues to open.

Taken with one of my 32 year old Olympus Trip 35 cameras, on el cheapo Poundland 35mm film of course.  Suits you Sir!

Film, 35mm, and scans, Internet, Yashica AW Mini - 50p camera project

50p camera meets Staffy

Dudget camera meets Staffy. Yashica AW Mini compact camera. AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 35mm film from Poundland. Post neg scan enhancement using Gimp 2.8 free open source software.

Woof!  From the first roll from that Yashica AW Mini that I recently bought at a car boot sale in Wisbech, for 50p.  Now, this is not one of those fancy Yashica T compacts with Carl Zeiss lenses.  This is the budget AW (All Weather) Mini, circa 1991 production, featuring a plain Yashica lens.  It was immaculate when I bought it, but around the time that I took the above photo, the exposure button fell apart, and I lost the soft plastic cover.  It’s now held in with sellotape!

One issue with the camera, I wish that I could turn off that damned auto flash.  Never mind, I’ll regard it as part of it’s charm.  I love the dog owner’s leg, and his tucked in jogging bottoms.  For that reason, I’m submitting it as the first photo for my 50p camera gallery project.

Other news:  I’ve found this brilliant funny community website, called “You Are Not A Photographer“, where people submit awful photographs by Faux Photographers – people with no skill or training that with very little experience of photography, set themselves up as professionals, often with FaceBook professional photography pages, and advertising for business.  It sort of ties in with my own observations in earlier blogs, of beginners that give themselves FB pages and ‘photography studio’ names.

Film, 35mm, and scans, Internet, Olympus Trip 35

Poundland film – Poundland film group on Flickr

Village Tour through the Olympus Trip 35 -the grave headstone. Olympus Trip 35 camera. AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 film from Poundland

I’ve launched a Flickr Group called: Poundland Film and AgfaPhoto.  Discount 35mm film photos only

Poundland is a UK based discount store that offers goods for GBP £1.00 or less. At time of edit – USD $1.5 or 1.2 EUR.
In the past this has included Kodak ColorPlus 200 24 exposure, Kodak Ultramax 400, Ferrania Solaris 200, and now AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 – rumoured to be produced by Fujifilm as a variant of C200.

Cheap film bought in the UK at discount stores for a quid a roll. What can you do with it?
Cheap film from dollar stores outside of the UK also welcome
AgfaPhoto Vista Plus film photography welcome

Visit the Poundland Film Group on Flickr here

Film, 35mm, and scans, Olympus Trip 35

The Empire on Poundland Film

The Empire Theatre Bingo Hall. Wisbech. Olympus Trip 35 camera. AgfaPhoto Vista Plus 200 35mm film. Scanned negative. A little post touch enhance on Gimp 2.8 using crop and levels.

No one liked the last blog?  Ok, here’s another new one, or at least a new scan after picking up some negs from the developer.  The Bingo Hall in Wisbech town.  Formerly the Empire Theatre.  A seventeen quid camera and film from Poundland.  Budget enough?

Cameras and equipment, Pentax K110D DSLR and SMC Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7 prime lens, Rants and discussions, Yashica AW Mini - 50p camera project

The 50p Camera Project

My Yashica AW Mini. Bought for 50p. Taken with Pentax K110D DSLR. SMC Pentax-M 50mm F/1.7 manual focus prime lens.

The NA Scope on the top of the Yashica AW Mini. As above.

Right, I’ve set myself a challenge…

Exactly what does constitute a good photograph, and good photography?  For some it might be simply the clarity, colour, and detail of a beautiful landscape,  For other’s a perfectly exposed high quality portrait with a perfect depth of field.  These types of photo require skill.  They also require high quality lenses, high quality cameras / sensors, tripods, lighting equipment, reflectors, soft boxes, and possibly even the ultra expensive Adobe Photoshop software package.  A combination of a skilled photographer and a fat budget.

However, here’s a little secret.  Not all good photography has great clarity, realistic colour, and detail.  Some great photographs can be taken with much cheaper equipment.  Good photography can also be about imagination.  An alternative to good photography might be photos that are 1) interesting, or / and 2) attractive.  I’m not saying that I have any of the skills required to do this, but I’m an amateur, I can have a crack at it.

So the project is simply this.  Take this 50 pence compact autofocus, fill it with Poundland film, see what I can produce.  I won’t be able to manually adjust aperture, shutter speed (or digital ISO).  I’ll be very restricted.  Can I produce a decent gallery of images from it for a Flickr set?

Let’s see.  This is REAL tight fisted photography. Nasty low budget stuff.  Dirty cheap imagery.